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A Jerusalem mosque that was torched last week in a "price tag" operation turned into a platform for religious and secular teens who wished to demonstrate their aversion to the recent wave of attacks on Muslim holy sites. Fifteen students from the Eitan pre-military school in Ma'ale Adumim arrived at desecrated mosque Monday on a mission to clean up the hate graffiti that remained on its walls.
"This is not a political act," the teens stressed. "There has never been a reality in which Jews defaced prayer houses, and we won't allow it to happen now either."
Yair Ansbacher, a rabbi teaching at the school, said that the activity was meant to show that the majority of settlers are against the hostile acts.
Teens clean up hate graffiti from torched mosque - Israel News, Ynetnews
Seeded on Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:03 PM EST
Article Source: ynetnews.com
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"There are many opinions at the school, including opinions that are very Right-leaning… but they all oppose violence against IDF troops and vandalism – especially vandalism against places of worship," Ansbacher said.
"We are a small group of people who aim to right a wrong that was caused by another small group of people," he added. "(…) We have no intention to clash with anyone, but we do intend to speak out against the radicalization taking place in Israeli society."
The rabbi asserted that the "price tag" operations create a dangerous gap within Israeli society.
"This is not the true face of Judaism," he said. "We are erasing these slogans with hopes of erasing this stain."
Small steps..
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#1 - Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:05 PM ESTYes, small steps, and as the song by Pete Seeger goes:
"One man's hands do not a prison break. Two men's hands do not a prison break. But two and two and fifty make a hundred. We'll see that day come round, we'll see that day come round."
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sounds like someone is playing this drama every few weeks now. How many times has this kind of vandal attacks now in 2011 ? Surely more than once.
Another Mosque Burnt In Jerusalem, Seven So Far This Year
http:// www.eurasiareview.com/ 14122011-another-mosque-burnt-in-jerusalem-seven-so-far-this-year/
Other acts of vandalism were reported in two Palestinian cities in the West Bank, where the military said cars were set afire and hate graffiti was scrawled.
http:// abcnews.go.com/ International/ wireStory/ arsonists-torch-jerusalem-mosque-15151013
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ramikay,
I guess your comment is on topic. kind of..
This article is focused on cleaning up a mess as opposed to creating one -
A Jerusalem mosque that was torched last week in a "price tag" operation turned into a platform for religious and secular teens who wished to demonstrate their aversion to the recent wave of attacks on Muslim holy sites. Fifteen students from the Eitan pre-military school in Ma'ale Adumim arrived at desecrated mosque Monday on a mission to clean up the hate graffiti that remained on its walls.
Also, by now I'm sure you can post actual links, surely? not very reader-friendly what you're doing there, and all over every other I/P related seed. call it a friendly suggestion.
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Froman gets it, been getting it for a while.
Froman, an advocate of "religious peace" between Jews and Arabs, explained that the "price tag" activists were criminals who presented settlers as "gangsters", thereby serving the interests of the Palestinians and the far left.
"I would like to repeat an expression I heard from (Yesha Council Chairman) Danny Dayan: 'It's an act of foolishness and injustice.' It's a great injustice, but I am even more concerned about the foolishness of these actions."
"It is in the Palestinians' interest to present the settlers as savages, as hooligans, as people you can't live in peace with," he explained. "Through these actions they convince the Israeli and international public opinion that the settlers burn mosques, destroy fields and chop off trees, and that there is no other solution but to uproot the settlers and remove them from this territory." Ynet
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I take it by "gets it" you mean you agree with Froman.
He takes the position that the acts are bad (foolish) because they reflect poorly on the collective settler enterprise. He mentions the "great injustice" but is more concerned for the bad PR it generates. His primary concern is how this might hurt Jews, right? Set aside the "great injustice" and let's talk about the real problem - how this makes the settler project look, right?
I have to do mental back flips to make sense of his conclusion that bad PR is "thereby serving the interests of the Palestinians and the far left." The "price tag" activists are NOT serving the interests of Palestinians! They are not serving the interests of "the left"! Those mental gymnastics twist victims into perpetrators.
It is a great injustice. Is there an analysis you admire that discusses that? Why is it wrong to target and vandalize some other people and their property or symbols of their culture?
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A good example to show that the extremists on both sides are the ones who have created a conflict and they are the ones who continue to stir the flames.
Thanks for the hopeful seed, too many these days are bonkers; either claiming Palestinians don't exist or blaming Israel for everything from radiation in Japan to tourist eating sharks...
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#3 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:45 AM ESTIt was very nice of those kids to clean up the mess and take a stand against this overt form of discrimination. It's good to see many Israelis repudiating these acts.
I think the overt hooliganism is not so much creating conflict but a symptom of and result of social policies (and the accompanying gov't policies). As we've noted before these acts are a consequence of social mores that not only permit discrimination but encourage, institutionalize, and control it. That some of gets out of control is unfortunate but that is not the core, nor creator, of the conflict. The social agreement that segregation is warranted is the impetus to the conflict.
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I think the overt hooliganism is not so much creating conflict but a symptom of and result of social policies
I didn't mean to suggest that the arsonists are the only Extremists, as extremists come in many flavors. I merely meant the situation has been created and continues because of all the extremists on both sides. Events like this shows that these crimes are the acts of a minority and that their trouble making can be erased with good deeds.
The First rule of the fanatic; when you become obsessed with the enemy you become the enemy.
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This incident crossed the line on what is appropriate show of discrimination. Those who stepped up to say so did not condemn the segregation and discrimination but only that it went too far.
The extremists are those whitewashing or minimizing the segregation at the root of the conflict.
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looks like these young kids will be very busy if the present trends towards more violence by the illegal settlers continue. Why don't the grown-ups do something about it and create an environemt of more security for the victims.
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#5 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:52 PM ESTLet me re-phrase that.
Imagine muslims policing their own and attempting to make right, the bull@!$%# of the extremists in their midst, such as this.
This is great example of jews who dont support extremism.
It would great see the same from islam but I dont think there is a chance in hell.
#7 - Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:41 PM ESTIt would great see the same from islam but I dont think there is a chance in hell.
A good start would be if the Palestinians stopped glorifying and adulating their terrorist murderers. However, I have to admit that your assessment is probably correct.
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It would great see the same from islam but I dont think there is a chance in hell.
That is a very broad and vague statement. Can you be more specific? There are Muslims all over the world in many different countries each with its internal and external problems that evolve as well. And that isn't even getting into the divisions of Islam (Sunni/Shia)
To expect Hamas to make such an effort at this time is unlikely, but that isn't to say all Gazan citizens have been hardened by the restrictions of the occupation and blockade to become bitter, spiteful or hateful. The PA has repeatedly condemned acts of terrorism, no matter the victim, but that isn't to say there are not some West Bank Palestinians that have been so hurt by occupation to seek retribution even if misguided and misdirected. The same applies to the Knesset and its multi-cultural citizens in Israel and her Settlements.
It is one thing to label a government or organization at a particular time, but quite another to label an entire people or even a religion that transcends national boundaries. Your negative label of an entire people is likely to have caused your first comment to be deleted as the seeder doesn't take kindly to that, whether it is about the Jewish faith or the Muslim faith; the Israeli people or the Palestinian people. Probably one of the best impartial seeders.
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Seriously speaking I would be more concerned about the security of these kids from an attack on them coming from the extremist settlers than anyone else. I think the parents need to be forewarned and just not let the risk be put on these kids.
I would rather like to see the extremist settlers be arrested and forced to clean up the mess and property destruction they are now getting used to doing on a regular basis.
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Actually, rozdane, you have a good point there. I agree with you. It is justifiable that those who did the damage be forced to clean it up and/or pay compensation for it.
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I suspect this whole sub thread will be deleted at some point, wouldn't bother too much.
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